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Sunday, May 21st 2006, 5:09am

Fuerza Aerea Mexicana

My preliminary list for aircraft of the FAM. All of them are historical but the numbers have been twitched a bit.

TNCA A, 30 (trainers)
Framan F.50, 10 (bombers)
Avro 504, 30 (trainers)
Morane-Saulnier M.S. 35C, 10 (trainers)
De Havilland DH-4B,15 (bombers)
Bristol Fighter F.2B, 10 (fighters)
Bristol 93B Boarhound II, 10 (bombers)
Douglas O-2M, 10 (scouts)
Azcárate Vought O2U-4A Corsair, 40 (scouts)

The TNCA A is the oldest design. I might even remove it since there are already plenty of trainers. But then again I might leave it since its the only Mexican design.

The Morane-Saulnier M.S. 35C is another question mark. An interesting plane the problem being Mexico already has plenty of trainers. One option is to turn the aircraft into a fighter.

The Bristol 93B Boarhound II was a British design. Only two where built and both where bought by Mexico. I Wesworld Im going ahead with the assumption more where actualy bought.

One thing Mexico needs is fighters. My main candidates are as follows. Which one might fit in better overall?

Fokker EV
Fokker DVII

TNCA stands for Talleres Nacionales de Construcciones Aeronauticas (National Factory for Aeronautical Construstions)

Any toughts and comments?


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 10:11am

The Spad XIII performs the best out of the designs in your list I could dig up specs on. You could also get a large number from various nations, Atlantis itself purchased some from France near the end of the war.

Heres a list of the prospective fighter designs, along with two Atlantean designs, and the American Boeing F2B-1 and F4B-1, compaired to the current Mexican fighter, the F.2B

The Boeing design was one of the best designs of the period historically before the eclipse of the monoplane fighters of the late 30's. The Atlantean designs are roughly based on the Hawker Hart series.

Bristol Fighter F.2B
Type: Fighter
Demensions: span 39 ft 3in, length 25 ft 10 in, height 9 ft 9 in
Crew: 2
Powerplant/performance:275 HP Rolls Royce Falcon III, speed 125 mph/201 km
Armament 3x0.303 (1 fixed in nose and one or two in scarff ring for observer, 12x20lb bombs )

Accrisius FN-7 "Archer" 1928
Type: Fighter bomber
Demensions: span 37 ft 3 in, length 29 ft 4 in, height 10 ft 5 in
Crew: 2
Powerplant/performance:525 HP Roth engine, speed 184 mph/296 km, ceiling 21,300 feet
Armament 2x0.303 (1 fixed forward, 1 aft, trainable), 580 lb bomb load

Accrisius F-10A "Arrow" 1931
Type: Fighter
Demensions: span 30 ft, length 26 ft 9 in, height 10 ft-2 in
Crew: 1
Powerplant/performance: 640 HP Roth engine, speed 223 mph/359 km, ceiling 28,500 feet
Armament 2x0.303 (1 fixed forward, 1 aft, trainable)

Boeing F2B-1
Type: Fighter
Demensions: span 30 ft 1in, length 22 ft11 in, height 9 ft 7 in
Crew: 1
Powerplant/performance: 425 HP Pratt & Whitney R-1340 B wasp engine, speed 158 mph/254 km,ceiling 21,500 feet
Armament 2x0.30 (2 fixed forward) 500lb's of bombs

Boeing F4B-4/P-12
Type: Fighter
Demensions: span 30 ft, length 20 ft1 in, height 9 ft 7 in
Crew: 1
Powerplant/performance: 500 HP Pratt & Whitney R-1340 -16 engine, speed 186 mph/300 km,ceiling 29,600 feet
Armament 2x0.30 MG (2 fixed forward) or 1x0.30 MG and 1x0.50 MG, 500lb's of bombs or 1 50 gal drop tank

Type: Fighter
Demensions: span 27 ft 1in, length 20 ft 6 in, height 8 ft 6.5 in
Crew: 1
Powerplant/performance:200 HP Hispano-Suiza 8B engine, speed 135 mph/218 km
Armament 2x0.303 (2 fixed in nose)

Fokker DVII 1918
Type: Fighter
Demensions: span 29 ft 3.5in, length 22 ft 11 in, height 9 ft 9 in
Crew: 1
Powerplant/performance:160 HP Mercedes, speed 117 mph/189 km
Armament 2x7.92mm (2 fixed in nose)


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 10:46am

I would go for the SPAM... I mean SPAD. :-)
For some reason I like the SPAD S.XIII (despite it being French) so I used that as the backbone of the Japanese Air Force at the beginning of the 1920s because quite a few were built by the French.
BTW, the world's most famous user of the SPAD S.XIII is Colonel Oonishi Manzo. The number of enemy planes he shot down with this type of fighter in the closing stages of the Great War is about equal to the number of SPADs he crashed after the Great War.


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 11:07am

Manzo should switch to flying the Curtiss Jenny, otherwise there won't be too many SPAD's left!


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 11:15am

If you are looking to purchase new aircraft now then consider the Fiat Cr.32 as a fighter. Excellent speed and maneuverability. If you're looking for an older aircraft, go with the SPAD.

Type: C.R.32
Function: Fighter
Year: 1931 Crew: 1 Engines: 1 * 680hp Fiat A.30 RA
Wing Span: 9.50m(31') Length: 7.45m(24.5') Height: 2.63m(8.7') Wing Area: 22.10m2(239sqft)
Empty Weight: 1325kg Max.Weight: 1850kg
Speed: 375km/h(235mph) Ceiling: 8800m(29000ft) Range: 680km(425m)
Armament: 2*mg7.7mm in fuselage


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 11:17am

If he shot down more planes than the Red Baron, one has to worry about the number of SPADs in the world and he would be better off switching over to the CJ. Fortunately the Japanese are producing their own planes now so he has the opportunity to wreck home-made planes.


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 12:36pm

Spare the SPAD's Manzo! Fly home grown designs!

I assume Mexico is going for older designs in order to procure planes at a cheaper cost, otherwise I'd offer this brand spanking new design.

Spartan FN-8 "Cyclone" 1931

(based on the Bleriot-SPAD S.510)
Type: Fighter
Demensions: span 29 ft, length 24 ft 5.75 in, height 12 ft 2.5 in
Crew: 1
Powerplant/performance:700 HP Spartan engine, speed 231 mph/372 km, climb rate 4,000 feet in 4.5 minutes, ceiling 34,300 feet

Armament 4x0.303 (2 in upper fuselage and two in wing fairings)


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 5:50pm

I guess Im going with the SPAD then. Actually this is more of a retrospective buy.

So at this time Mexico would begin looking for replacements not only for the SPAD but for the others too. My main choice was going to be the Curtiss P-6E but the Spartan FN-8 looks interesting. But the airraft Im really after is the Polikarov I 15.

With all these choices I might just start a contest to see who offers the best deal.


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 5:57pm

I could offer the M.A.N. package... but that one is a carrier package.


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 10:46pm

Can I enter this?


Sunday, May 21st 2006, 10:47pm

OOC:I will not be my self If I dind try to sell some polish planes.
Yugoslavia planes are not jest ready

Poland offer the sell this brand new Fighter Aircraft the PZL P.7
The plane is the aredinamicly cleanest design curently on the market.
P.7 offers Good armament and speed high climb rate.
This palne strong construcion allows for furter increase in engine power.