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Saturday, October 21st 2006, 1:45pm

Argentine Bargains!

Argentina is pleased to offer these two vessels for sale. Sensible offers only please, no keel kickers please, buyer collects. If no-one buys Sarimento whole then I'm willing to offer her for scrap minus guns.

Lot No.1

Presidente Sarminento (1906)
Pic by Wes (Sarimento is top drawing)



Displacement:
12,528 t light; 13,299 t standard; 15,208 t normal; 16,735 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
529.00 ft / 529.00 ft x 75.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
161.24 m / 161.24 m x 22.86 m x 7.92 m

Armament:
4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1906 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1906 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side ends, evenly spread
20 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.76lbs / 23.93kg shells, 1906 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 1906 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 1.18" / 30.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.00lbs / 0.45kg shells, 1916 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 5,111 lbs / 2,318 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 320.00 ft / 97.54 m 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 209.00 ft / 63.70 m 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
Upper: 3.00" / 76 mm 320.00 ft / 97.54 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 4.50" / 114 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
3rd: 3.00" / 76 mm - 3.00" / 76 mm

- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 38,119 shp / 28,437 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 3,436 tons)

Complement:
684 - 890

Cost:
£1.356 million / $5.425 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 639 tons, 4.2 %
Armour: 3,570 tons, 23.5 %
- Belts: 1,542 tons, 10.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,178 tons, 7.7 %
- Armour Deck: 744 tons, 4.9 %
- Conning Tower: 106 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,723 tons, 17.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,572 tons, 36.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,680 tons, 17.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
17,933 lbs / 8,134 Kg = 35.9 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.42

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.516
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.05 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.50 ft / 7.47 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.50 ft / 6.55 m
- Mid (65 %): 21.50 ft / 6.55 m (14.50 ft / 4.42 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 14.50 ft / 4.42 m
- Stern: 14.50 ft / 4.42 m
- Average freeboard: 19.29 ft / 5.88 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147.4 %
Waterplane Area: 26,825 Square feet or 2,492 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 669 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.84
- Overall: 1.02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Lot No.2

Mendoza French-built 950ton destroyer
289.5x25.25x10.25ft, 950 tons
Rateau turbines, 18,000 shp = 32 knots,
4 - 4inch, 4 - 21inch TT

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Saturday, October 21st 2006, 4:40pm

Chile might be interesting in her at scrap value minus guns. We could use a ready built target ship.

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 2:11am

Peru bids 20%, payment upon delivery to Callao.

HoOmAn

Keeper of the Sacred Block Coefficient

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 11:34am

Quoted

Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Peru bids 20%, payment upon delivery to Callao.


?!?

Could you please clarify who´s in charge of Peru currently? Thanks....

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 11:50am

We are. :) Basically, Perderdor and I discussed this idea, and he's in charge of land affairs now and I'll be handing over all affairs at the end of 1933. At the moment, anything either of us want to do we're running it by the other to confirm that it doesn't cause problems.

[Whoops, that should have read "end of 1932", not 1933... End of this year, at any rate.]]

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 5:58pm

Noooo!!! Not again! This is the third straight time Peru has out bid Mexico!!! Maybe I should just have Mexico declare war on Peru, before Huascar arrives, should teach those scoundrels not to steal anymore ships!

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 6:37pm

Why not try to outbid Peru or is your budget too small for that?

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 7:18pm

Mexico happens to have the smallest amount of infrastructure (3 factories) of all American Countries even Peru and Columbia have more. And Im in the midst of buying two more Columbias from the US.

So beating up Peru and taking over Huascar as booty sounds like an easier solution. Now I only need a cause...

AIGF

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 7:36pm

What was Mexico's bid?

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 7:44pm

I guess none yet, but the 20% is too much for them.

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Sunday, October 22nd 2006, 8:26pm

Looks like unless Mexico gets another factory, other nations will have an infrastructure advantage when it comes to bidding.

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Monday, October 23rd 2006, 12:19am

Well I doubt Chile will win this one.

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Monday, October 23rd 2006, 10:00pm

Can NPC (the few who are left) bid?

I've re-checked the Esquel Treaty and it is a legal possible sale to Peru, since Peru and Chile are not at war. I'll give you all till Friday to make a bid.

Now who wants that lovely destroyer? Lot No2, a genuine French built beauty with years of good service. Nice armament and good for a small nation to buy. Do I hear any offers?

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Tuesday, October 24th 2006, 9:04pm

I have received a bid for Sarimento, 23% from a country that wishes to remain anonymous.

Also a bid received for Mendoza too.

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Wednesday, October 25th 2006, 1:02am

Anonymous won't be anonymous when he posts his report!

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Wednesday, October 25th 2006, 1:04am

23% is too rich for Peru's blood for this vessel, so Peru does not raise it's bid.

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Saturday, October 28th 2006, 9:13am

Going, going, gone!

The anonymous nation withdrew their speculative bid and so Argentina is pleased to accept Peru's 20% bid.

Mexico's 15% bid for Mendoza is accepted.