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Monday, June 15th 2009, 8:29pm

Quarterly Report #64 for the SAE

[SIZE=4]SAE Quarterly Reports[/SIZE]

No. 64 – October to December 1936


[SIZE=3]Transfers/Notes:[/SIZE]


None


[SIZE=3]Factories:[/SIZE]

26 factories total can be used.

Fixed factories

No factory will be fixed to produce infrastructure points for 1936.

Flexible factories

211ts material transferred from Q3 (incl. material recovered from scrapyard).

24,882ts of material need to be produced in this quarter (25 factories).

1 factories will produce infrastructure points this quarter.

Infrastructure points used this quarter:

0,1pts put into factory #27 for a total of 3,6pts at the end of Q4/36.


[SIZE=3]Ships:[/SIZE]

Minor vessels


Completed Units

34x UJ26-class ASW launch
31x UJ30-class ASW launch
16x UJ35-class ASW launch

36x R28-class motor launch
23x R31-class motor launch

26x S34-class motor torpedo boat
12x S36-class motor torpedo boat

8x Tree-class minesweeper (Type 16)
13x Bush-class minesweeper (Type 21)
10x Cactus-class minesweeper (Type 28)
2x Flower-class minesweeper (Type 35)

4x Circe-class sloops
4x Polar II-class sloops

12x River-class frigate

6x Pleiades-class light destroyer
8x Planet-class light destroyer
2x Bird-class light destroyer

5x Guard-class patrol crafts

4x GB35-class river gun boat
2x RM36C-class river monitors

On Trials

1x MS35-class minesweeper
- MS35-3 Rose running trials until November 36

8x UJ35-class ASW launch
- UJ101-UJ104 running trials until October 36
- UJ105-UJ108 running trials until December 36

1x LD35-class light destroyer
- LD35-4 Swallow running trials until January 37

2x FR35-class frigate
- FR35-1 Rukwa running trials until February 37
- FR35-2 Njassa running trials until March 37

Ordered Units

4x LD35-class light destroyer (10 month á 71ts material necessary per unit)
- LD35-3 Mohawk laid down in Majunga on a Type 1 slip in May 36, completed in February 37
- LD35-5 Kestrel laid down in Port Louis on a Type 1 slip in August 36, completed in May 37
- LD35-6 Red Kite laid down in Port Elizabeth on a Type 1 slip in December 36, completed in September 37
- LD35-7 Eagle laid down in Montevideo on a Type 1 slip in October 36, completed in July 37

2x FR35-class frigate (1 month á 89ts and 9 month á 94ts material necessary per unit)
- FR35-3 Chilwas laid down on Prince Eduard Islands on a Type 0 slip in January, completed in October 36
- FR35-4 Chiuta laid down on Port Louis on a Type 0 slip in January, completed in October 36

1x Lorelei-class coast guard cutter (11 month á 136ts material necessary per unit)
- Lorelei laid down in Daressalam on a Type 1 slip in August, completed in June 37

5x MS35-class minesweeper (5 month á 87ts material necessary per unit)
- MS35-8 Iris laid down in Port Louis on a Type 0 slip in November 36, completed in March 37
- MS35-5 Lotus laid down in Montevideo on a Type 0 slip in October 36, completed in February 37
- MS35-6 Hyacinth laid down in Montevideo on a Type 0 slip in October 36, completed in February 37
- MS35-7 Foxglove laid down in Buenos Aires on a Type 0 slip in October 36, completed in February 37
- MS35-4 Lily laid down in St. Helena on a Type 0 slip in October 36, completed in February 37

Rebuilds/Refits/Repairs

None

Scrapping

None


Destroyers

Completed Units

8x Cat-class torpedoboat (Type 16)
8x Hound-class torpedoboat (Type 21)
10x Hound-class torpedoboat (Type 26)

8x Nymph-class destroyer (Type 21)
8x Nymph-class destroyer (Type 23)
16x Nymph-class destroyer (Type 27)
16x Nymph-class destroyer (Type 30)
8x Snake-class destroyer (Type 32)

8x Weapon-class large destroyer (Type 28)
7x Weapon-class large destroyer (Type 32)

On Trials

1x TB35-class torpedo boat
- Salamander running trials until March 37

Ordered Units

5x TB35-class torpedo boat (11 month á 110ts material necessary per unit)
- Lizard laid down in Durban on a Type 1 slip in December, completed in October 36
- Chameleon laid down in Port Elizabeth on a Type 1 slip in January, completed in November 36
- Gecko laid down in Buenos on a Type 1 slip in February, completed in December 36
- Goanna laid down in Buenos on a Type 1 slip in Mar del Plata, completed in December 36
- Iguana laid down in Cape Town on a Type 1 slip in April, completed in February 37

1x Weapon-class large destroyer (11 month á 174ts material necessary per unit)
- DL36-1 Bombard laid down in Cape Town on a Type 3 slip in November 36, completed in September 37

Rebuilds/Refits/Repairs

None

Scrapping

1x TB21-class torpedo boat (4 month total, 2 month in Type 2 dock)
- Terrier scrapping in Mar del Plata starting in May, finished in August – 171ts received from hull for Q2/1937


Class B Cruisers

Completed Units

2x Nampula-class light cruiser (Type 08)
4x Port Shepstone-class light cruiser (Type 13)
5x Santa Fe-class light cruiser (Type 16)
4x Yaounde-class light cruiser (Type 19)
4x Libreville-class light cruiser (Type 21)
4x Rosario-class light cruiser (Type 22)
4x Aurora-class light cruiser (Type 24)
1x Arion-class light cruiser (Type 27)
3x Douala II-class light cruiser (Type 29)
2x Ajax-class light cruiser (Type 31)
1x Antenor-class light cruiser (Type 33)

2x Daphne-class anti aircraft cruiser (Type 34)

4x Fenris-class destroyer leader (Type 30)
2x Fasold-class destroyer leader (Type 31)
2x Diana-class destroyer leader (Type 34)

On Trials

1x Arion-class light cruiser
- Arion running trials until October 36

Ordered Units

1x CM36fast2-class mine cruiser (13 month á 301ts material necessary per unit)
- CM36fast2-1 (still to be named) laid down in Durban on a Type 4 slip in October 36, completed in October 37

1x Danae-class anti aircraft cruiser (17 month á 460ts material necessary per unit)
- Danae laid down in Cape Town on a Type 3 slip in October 36, completed in February 38

Repairs/Rebuilds/Refits

None

Scrapping

None


Class A Cruisers

Completed Units

1x Colony-class AC
4x Cape-class (Type 23)
2x Cape-class (Type 26)
1x Dragon-class (Type 29)
1x Hero-class (Type 33)

On Trials

2x Radiance-class heavy cruiser
- Radiance running trials until November 36
- Brilliance running trials until February 37

Ordered Units

1x Hero-class heavy cruiser (21 month á 555ts material necessary per unit)
- Belerophon laid down in Buenos Aires on a Type 3 slip in October 34, all work halted August 35, work commenced in April 36, completed in February 37

1x CA36E-class heavy cruiser (24 month á 624ts material necessary per unit)
- CA36E-1 laid down in Montevideo on a Type 4 slip in October 36, completed in September 38

Repair/Refits

None

Scrapping

None


Capital Units

Completed Units

2x Koning-class
2x Mauritius-class
2x South Africa-class
2x Mocambique-class
1x Ophion-class
2x Triumph-class
2x Imperator-class

On Trials

None

Ordered Units

2x BB33Lh-class battleship (48 month á 796ts material necessary per unit)
- Monarch laid down in Montevideo on a Type 4 slip in January 33, all work halted August 35, work commenced in April 36, completed in August 37
- Sovereign laid down in Buenos Aires on a Type 4 slip in January 34, all work halted August 35, work commenced in May 36, completed in September 38

Rebuilds/Refits

1x Ophion-class battleship (5 month á 2964ts/month and 10 month á 740ts/month material necessary – partial double rate)
- Ophion entering a Type 4 dock in Cape Town in August 35. Leaving the dock in November, the battleship will stay in the yard until October 36

Scrapping

2x Hertog-class battlecruiser (11 month total, 5 month in Type 3 dock)
- Hertog Alexander scrapping in Durban starting in July, finished in May 37 – 3842ts received from hull for Q1/1938
- Hertog Rijnhard scrapping in Durban starting in October, finished in August 37 – 3842ts received from hull for Q2/1938


Coastal Defence Units

Completed Units

0x Nagelring-class
1x Tyrfing-class
1x Gungnir-class

1x LCDS-class
2x LCDS-2-class

On Trials

1x Nagelring-class CDS
- Nagelring running trials until December 36

1x CDS8-class CDS
- Excalibur running trials until February 37

Ordered Units

None

Rebuilds/Refits

None


Carriers

Completed Units

1x Forge-class fleet carrier (Type 26)

2x Anvil-class light fleet carrier (Type 30)

3x Mimir-class floatplane carriers
1x Bölthorn-class floatplane carrier
2x Thjazi-class floatplane carrier

On Trials

1x CV34-class fleet carrier (30 month á 687ts material necessary per unit)
- Thomas van Deen running trials until March 37

Ordered Units

1x CV34-class fleet carrier (30 month á 687ts material necessary per unit)
- Cornelis Keser laid down in Cape Town on a Type 3 slip in October 34, all work halted August 35, work commenced January 36, completed August 37

1x CVL36-class light fleet carrier (19 month á 520ts material necessary per unit)
- Michel Endress laid down in Durban on a Type 3 slip in October 36, completed in August 38

1x AV36-class floatplane carrier (16 month á 387ts material necessary per unit)
- Unicorn laid down in Port Elizabeth on a Type 4 slip in November 36, completed in February 38

Rebuilds/Refits

None


Class A Submarines

Completed Units

10x E-class submarine
13x F-class submarine
3x J-class submarine
2x L-class submarine
2x M-class submarine

On Trials

None

Ordered Units

4x M-class fleet submarine (11 month á 99ts material necessary per unit)
- M3 laid down in Durban on a Type 0 slip in December, completed in October 36
- M4 laid down in Durban on a Type 0 slip in January 36, completed in November 36
- M5 laid down in Durban on a Type 0 slip in November, completed in September 37
- M6 laid down in Durban on a Type 0 slip in December 36, completed in October 37

Repairs/Rebuilds/Refits

None


Class B Submarines

Completed Units

15x I-class submarine
7x H-class submarine
13x K-class submarine

On Trials

None

Ordered Units

None

Repairs/Rebuilds/Refits

None

Scrapping

None


Non-combatants

Completed Units

1x Bay-class tender (Type 04)
2x Bay-class tender (Type 05)
2x Bay-class tender (Type 08)
2x Bay-class tender (Type 11)
1x Bay-class tender (Type 13)
2x Bay-class tender (Type 16)
2x Bay-class tender (Type 19)
3x Bay-class tender (Type 22)
2x Bay-class tender (Type 25)
1x Bay-class tender (Type 29)
1x Bay-class tender (Type 35)

1x FV32-class fleet support ship

On Trials

None

Ordered Units

2x FV36-class fleet support ship
- FV36-1 Sharon den Adel laid down in Port Louis on a Type 2 slip in July 36, completed in January 38
- FV36-2 Tarja Turunen laid down in Montevideo on a Type 2 slip in October 36, completed in April 38

1x TD35-class tender (15 month á 363ts material necessary per unit)
- TD35-2 Corisco Bay II laid down in Mar del Plata on a Type 2 slip in July, completed in September 37

Repairs/Rebuilds/Refits

None

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At the end of this quarter the RSAN consists of (units in service only):

81 ASW launches
59 motor launches
38 motor torpedo boats
33 minesweepers
41 small patrol crafts
4 river gunboat
2 river monitors
97 TB/DD/DLs of less than 2,000ts
44 cruisers category b
9 cruisers category a
13 capital units
5 costal defence ships
3 fleet carrier
35 submarines category b
30 submarines category a
6 floatplane carriers
19 armed tenders
1 fleet support ship

plus numerous auxiliary vessels of all kind.

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 8:31pm

New ships in 1936

Bombard , South African Flotilla Leader, laid down 1936

Displacement:
2.000 t standard

Dimensions:
124,00 m x 12,00 m x 4,00 m

Armament:
8 - 4,53" / 115 mm guns
8 - 1,57" / 40 mm AA guns
14 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
6 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 53.625 shp / 40.004 Kw

Complement:
171 - 223

Cost:
£1,513 million / $6,050 million

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 8:36pm

New ships in 1936

CM36fast , South African Fast Mine Cruiser laid down 1936

Displacement:
4.000 t standard

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
139,00 m / 135,00 m x 15,00 m x 4,70 m

Armament:
6 - 4,53" / 115 mm guns
8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns
8 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 56.301 shp / 42.000 Kw

Complement:
279 - 363

Cost:
£2,052 million / $8,209 million

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 8:43pm

New ships in 1936

Danae , laid down 1936



Displacement:
8.000 t standard

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
172,00 m / 168,00 m x 17,20 m x 6,00 m

Armament:
12 - 5,31" / 135 mm guns
12 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns
16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns
24 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns
12 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 93.834 shp / 70.000 Kw

Complement:
465 - 605

Cost:
£4,141 million / $16,564 million

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 8:46pm

New ships for 1936

Michel Endress , laid down 1936

Displacement:
10.000 t standard

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
183,96 m / 179,00 m x 20,00 m x 5,90 m

Armament:
8 - 4,53" / 115 mm guns
8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns
8 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 93.833 shp / 70.000 Kw

Complement:
539 - 702

Cost:
£3,983 million / $15,932 million

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 8:48pm

New ships for 1936

Unicorn , float plane carrier, laid down 1936



Displacement:
6.400 t standard

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
148,40 m / 145,00 m x 19,00 m x 5,50 m

Armament:
10 - 4,53" / 115 mm guns
16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns
12 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 37.534 shp / 28.000 Kw

Complement:
408 - 531

Cost:
£2,197 million / $8,787 million

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 8:51pm

New ships in 1936

Sharon den Adel , fleet support ship and tender, laid down 1936

Displacement:
9.800 t standard

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
147,25 m / 142,00 m x 21,00 m x 6,70 m

Armament:
4 - 4,53" / 115 mm guns (2x2 guns)
8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (4x2 guns)
12 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (6x2 guns)

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 24.129 shp / 18.000 Kw

Complement:
561 - 730

Cost:
£2,376 million / $9,505 million

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 8:56pm

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
CM36fast , South African Fast Mine Cruiser laid down 1936

Displacement:
4.000 t standard

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
139,00 m / 135,00 m x 15,00 m x 4,70 m

Armament:
6 - 4,53" / 115 mm guns
8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns
8 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 56.301 shp / 42.000 Kw

Complement:
279 - 363

Cost:
£2,052 million / $8,209 million

Depending on how fast this "fast" mine cruiser is, Bulgaria may be interested in learning more. I've got a very rough sim of Abdiel, but I'm curious how much your extra 1,000 tons buys...

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 9:00pm

Here are OOC stats for the ship. Comparing her to Abdiel might disappoint you. I focused on other things and the Abdiels are difficult to sim anyway.

To me "fast" in this case meant "more than 26-28kn" which was the speed of earlier steps in the process that lead to the design below.

CM36fast, South African Fast Mine Cruiser laid down 1936

Displacement:
3.914 t light; 4.041 t standard; 4.609 t normal; 5.064 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
456,03 ft / 442,91 ft x 49,21 ft x 15,42 ft (normal load)
139,00 m / 135,00 m x 15,00 m x 4,70 m

Armament:
6 - 4,53" / 115 mm guns (3x2 guns), 46,40lbs / 21,05kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 296 lbs / 134 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,38" / 35 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 1,18" / 30 mm
2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - -
3rd: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0,39" / 10 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 56.301 shp / 42.000 Kw = 32,86 kts
Range 4.000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.024 tons

Complement:
279 - 363

Cost:
£2,052 million / $8,209 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 37 tons, 0,8%
Armour: 133 tons, 2,9%
- Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 25 tons, 0,5%
- Armour Deck: 108 tons, 2,3%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
Machinery: 1.580 tons, 34,3%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.865 tons, 40,4%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 695 tons, 15,1%
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 6,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4.057 lbs / 1.840 Kg = 87,4 x 4,5 " / 115 mm shells or 0,8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m
Roll period: 14,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,21
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,480
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,28 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1,64 ft / 0,50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forecastle (30%): 18,70 ft / 5,70 m
- Mid (50%): 17,72 ft / 5,40 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 17,72 ft / 5,40 m
- Stern: 17,72 ft / 5,40 m
- Average freeboard: 18,82 ft / 5,74 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124,7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181,1%
Waterplane Area: 14.827 Square feet or 1.377 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 75 lbs/sq ft or 364 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,91
- Longitudinal: 2,30
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 9:11pm

Hm. Three knots slower and ~800t heavier... but this design has better armor and guns, twice the misc weight, and twice the range.

I'm not really looking for a minelayer at the moment, but if I run into a good enough design...

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 9:52pm

Whats the breakdown in Misc weight?

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:01pm

It breaks down in smaller pieces. Pieces that look like iron hedhodges.... I call them MINES but you may have a different name for them. ;o)

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:03pm

Sooooo not telling huh?

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:07pm

Aren´t we talking a minelayer here?

I expect her to carry about 200 mines fully loaded. The rest is gear and the like.

Don´t really know enough about minelaying to sort things out. I just thought 300 tons looks good enough.

Now that I think of it, having a radar set aboard during high speed night operations might come handy too. Do you think there could be one among those crates with those 300 tons in ´em?

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:20pm

I think Wes is referring to what I do with most of my designs. For instance on my cruiser...:

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Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
Air search radar - 20 tons
Surface search radar - 20 tons
Radar-assisted fire control - 30 tons
2 Seaplanes - 50 tons
Catapult - 35 tons
Air conditioning/Heating - 10 tons
Crew Comforts, movie theatre, ice cream machines - 5 tons
Total extra weight - 170 tons

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:28pm

I know what he meant. I just had no answer at hand other than that misc weight should be suffice for any number of mines that such a small hull could realistically carry....

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:32pm

Acctually I'm more interested in what weights been given to an individual naval mine, or even what other nations mine weigh.

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:37pm

From my research, most 1930s appropriate mines weigh about 1 ton (2,000 pounds) each, with about 25% being explosive. The Bulgarian Obrazets-1937 naval mine here is an example which I believe I designed based off a Russian moored contact mine.

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:42pm

Thats about what I thought they would weigh, similar to torpedo's.

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Monday, June 15th 2009, 10:49pm

When I designed my minelayer, I estimated 90-100 mines would be sufficient, and assigned 120t misc weight. My design was admittedly driven by Bulgaria's lack of need for range, or the construction of large minefields; so speed (as in Abdiel) remained paramount. Armament ended up being 6x105 and some 40mm AAs, while range was a pathetic 4,000nm @ 10 knots.