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This draft was presented to the chinese emperor.

**Displacement:**

9.148 t light; 9.474 t standard; 10.370 t normal; 11.087 t full load

**Dimensions:**

Length overall / water x beam x draught

630,70 ft / 620,08 ft x 55,12 ft x 19,52 ft (normal load)

192,24 m / 189,00 m x 16,80 m x 5,95 m

**Armament:**

8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (2x4 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1938 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring

8 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1938 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 1.113 lbs / 505 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 180

4 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

**Armour:**

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 443,24 ft / 135,10 m 10,24 ft / 3,12 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 110% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm

2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm

**Machinery:**

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 107.058 shp / 79.865 Kw = 35,00 kts

Range 5.000nm at 18,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1.613 tons

**Complement:**

513 - 667

**Cost:**

£4,776 million / $19,105 million

**Distribution of weights at normal displacement:**

Armament: 139 tons, 1,3%

Armour: 1.078 tons, 10,4%

- Belts: 437 tons, 4,2%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%

- Armament: 85 tons, 0,8%

- Armour Deck: 539 tons, 5,2%

- Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0,2%

Machinery: 2.931 tons, 28,3%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.300 tons, 41,5%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.222 tons, 11,8%

Miscellaneous weights: 700 tons, 6,8%

**Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:**

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

11.382 lbs / 5.163 Kg = 110,5 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07

Metacentric height 2,3 ft / 0,7 m

Roll period: 15,2 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,56

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,32

**Hull form characteristics:**

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0,544

Length to Beam Ratio: 11,25 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 28,04 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 2,62 ft / 0,80 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 24,61 ft / 7,50 m

- Forecastle (20%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Mid (50%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Quarterdeck (20%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Stern: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Average freeboard: 23,10 ft / 7,04 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

**Ship space, strength and comments:**

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,9%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 193,6%

Waterplane Area: 24.690 Square feet or 2.294 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 471 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,94

- Longitudinal: 2,07

- Overall: 1,02

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

*Misc. Weight:*

6 Seaplanes (2 on the catapults)

2 catapults

flag facilities

radar[/I]

9.148 t light; 9.474 t standard; 10.370 t normal; 11.087 t full load

Length overall / water x beam x draught

630,70 ft / 620,08 ft x 55,12 ft x 19,52 ft (normal load)

192,24 m / 189,00 m x 16,80 m x 5,95 m

8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (2x4 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1938 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring

8 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1938 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 1.113 lbs / 505 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 180

4 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 443,24 ft / 135,10 m 10,24 ft / 3,12 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 110% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm

2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 107.058 shp / 79.865 Kw = 35,00 kts

Range 5.000nm at 18,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1.613 tons

513 - 667

£4,776 million / $19,105 million

Armament: 139 tons, 1,3%

Armour: 1.078 tons, 10,4%

- Belts: 437 tons, 4,2%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%

- Armament: 85 tons, 0,8%

- Armour Deck: 539 tons, 5,2%

- Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0,2%

Machinery: 2.931 tons, 28,3%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.300 tons, 41,5%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.222 tons, 11,8%

Miscellaneous weights: 700 tons, 6,8%

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

11.382 lbs / 5.163 Kg = 110,5 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07

Metacentric height 2,3 ft / 0,7 m

Roll period: 15,2 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,56

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,32

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0,544

Length to Beam Ratio: 11,25 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 28,04 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 2,62 ft / 0,80 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 24,61 ft / 7,50 m

- Forecastle (20%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Mid (50%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Quarterdeck (20%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Stern: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Average freeboard: 23,10 ft / 7,04 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,9%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 193,6%

Waterplane Area: 24.690 Square feet or 2.294 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 471 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,94

- Longitudinal: 2,07

- Overall: 1,02

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

6 Seaplanes (2 on the catapults)

2 catapults

flag facilities

radar[/I]

I like it.

I know some folks will raz you about the quad 6" guns, but for some reason I find the quad 6"ers rather neat. (I've put together two different 4x4 cruisers with 6" guns and gotten them both shot down... but someday I'll throw realism to the wind and just do it!) The all-forward layout is also kinda attractive to me.

My main comments would be to suggest that you lower steadiness down to 70% and raise stability a tad bit more. On the drawing your bridge also looks a tad too... tall? Big? But then you do state you have flag facilities, and the Japanese had notoriously battleship-like bridges on their CAs.

Seeing as it has the aviation facilities and an emphasis on scouting, I'm not terribly concerned about the comparatively light armor for a ship of this size. After a tad bit of thinking, I'd also like to see that aft 105mm mount raised a bit - the forward two mounts have good arcs, but the lower aft mount could probably benefit from a bit more altitude.

In summary, I like it.

You'll have to wait a few more quarters to see what I'm planning for the Chilean scouting forces.

9.122 t light; 9.447 t standard; 10.336 t normal; 11.047 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

593,95 ft / 583,33 ft x 58,40 ft x 19,52 ft (normal load)

181,04 m / 177,80 m x 17,80 m x 5,95 m

Armament:

8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (2x4 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1938 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring

8 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1938 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 1.113 lbs / 505 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 180

4 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 443,24 ft / 135,10 m 10,24 ft / 3,12 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 117% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm

2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 110.274 shp / 82.265 Kw = 35,00 kts

Range 5.000nm at 18,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1.601 tons

Complement:

512 - 666

Cost:

£4,841 million / $19,362 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 139 tons, 1,3%

Armour: 1.076 tons, 10,4%

- Belts: 437 tons, 4,2%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%

- Armament: 85 tons, 0,8%

- Armour Deck: 538 tons, 5,2%

- Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0,2%

Machinery: 3.020 tons, 29,2%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.137 tons, 40,0%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.214 tons, 11,8%

Miscellaneous weights: 750 tons, 7,3%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

10.629 lbs / 4.821 Kg = 103,2 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07

Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m

Roll period: 15,4 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,45

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,14

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0,544

Length to Beam Ratio: 9,99 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 27,43 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 2,62 ft / 0,80 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 24,61 ft / 7,50 m

- Forecastle (20%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Mid (50%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Quarterdeck (20%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Stern: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Average freeboard: 23,10 ft / 7,04 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113,5%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 193,3%

Waterplane Area: 24.609 Square feet or 2.286 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 479 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,92

- Longitudinal: 2,11

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

## Quoted

Length to Beam Ratio: 9,99 : 1

I was inspired from the Oyodo class

## Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine

Oooh... that'd do it...

She's almost like aTone-class cruiser, you know. Same length, but a lesser beam.

And Quad turrets need a beamy hull. Tone shipped twin 8s (probably could've taken on triple 6"), so you'd need something beamier than a Tone, I'd think.

Quads in general, I can find the link to the lengthy discussion for the Manitobas, but long story short, cramming 4 guns into one turret will give you dispersal problems, ROF problems, and " 4 eggs in one basket" problems.

Where's China getting Radar from?

## Quoted

Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc

And Quad turrets need a beamy hull. Tone shipped twin 8s (probably could've taken on triple 6"), so you'd need something beamier than a Tone, I'd think.

Quads in general, I can find the link to the lengthy discussion for the Manitobas, but long story short, cramming 4 guns into one turret will give you dispersal problems, ROF problems, and " 4 eggs in one basket" problems.

Where's China getting Radar from?

a) Are you thinking the beam is now okay for the quads ?

b) It's for the future at present the ship has no radar and with German and Japanese friends shouldn't be a problem to fit it on the ship

http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?threadid=3207&sid=

The wesworld equivilent would be the Italian Pisa class with a 62.66 foot beam.

9.474 t light; 9.812 t standard; 10.990 t normal; 11.932 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

593,95 ft / 583,33 ft x 64,96 ft x 19,52 ft (normal load)

181,04 m / 177,80 m x 19,80 m x 5,95 m

Armament:

8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (2x4 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1938 Model

Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)

on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring

8 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1938 Model

Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists

on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model

Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts

on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 1.113 lbs / 505 kg

Shells per gun, main battery: 180

4 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 435,70 ft / 132,80 m 10,24 ft / 3,12 m

Ends: Unarmoured

Main Belt covers 115% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm

2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

Geared drive, 4 shafts, 113.787 shp / 84.885 Kw = 35,00 kts

Range 6.500nm at 18,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 2.120 tons

Complement:

536 - 697

Cost:

£4,986 million / $19,944 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 139 tons, 1,3%

Armour: 1.120 tons, 10,2%

- Belts: 433 tons, 3,9%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%

- Armament: 85 tons, 0,8%

- Armour Deck: 585 tons, 5,3%

- Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0,2%

Machinery: 3.116 tons, 28,4%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.349 tons, 39,6%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.516 tons, 13,8%

Miscellaneous weights: 750 tons, 6,8%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

12.642 lbs / 5.734 Kg = 122,8 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14

Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m

Roll period: 14,9 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,29

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck

and transom stern

Block coefficient: 0,520

Length to Beam Ratio: 8,98 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 27,73 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 2,62 ft / 0,80 m

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):

- Stem: 24,61 ft / 7,50 m

- Forecastle (20%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Mid (50%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Quarterdeck (20%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Stern: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Average freeboard: 23,10 ft / 7,04 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,6%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 202,5%

Waterplane Area: 26.755 Square feet or 2.486 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 503 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,93

- Longitudinal: 1,85

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

isn't the best idea I think. Getting the mass of turrets and armor going 35kts takes lots of power, while the unarmored hangar packed with flammables is a huge risk in surface combat.

I'd divide the two functions - a fast, unarmored seaplane carrier with DP and AA armament and a standard 8x8 6" gunned light cruiser.

I'd divide the two functions - a fast, unarmored seaplane carrier with DP and AA armament and a standard 8x8 6" gunned light cruiser.

## Quoted

Originally posted by perdedor99

I think is different and that is enough reason for me to built it. Being assigned to this ship on the other hand is another story. Looks to me like a big kaboom on the making.

And that's also one of the main reason for me to built it . Btw it's planed that the ship will be laid down at the end of 1938.

And with it's speed of ~ 35kn i think it's fast enough to engange the biggest troubles.

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