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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 11:46pm

Peru Army 1935-1944

Here is the last post about Peru Army in 1935
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Strength as September 30th,1935 (with 8 military districts and a draft in place)
25 infantry regiments + 3 forming (two serving with Naval Infantry, six in inactive reserve)
9 cavalry regiments
12 artillery regiments (one serving with Naval Infantry, two in inactive reserve)
10 sapper battalions (two in inactive reserve)
6 anti-aircraft battalion + 8 forming (one serving with Naval Infantry)
2 signals battalion
1 armored regiment (still being rebuild after material losses suffered during Andean War.)
1 armored car regiment (using Nordmark armored cars)
1 tank battalion (using used Nordmark tanks)
1 motorcycle cavalry battalion (attached to armored regiment)

Additionally, the paramilitary civil guard field the following forces:
11 cavalry regiments
1 infantry regiment of four battalions (twice the size of the standard infantry regiment)
1 independent battalion
1 machine gun battalion


(The units forming will finish their training and them most likely demobilized, to be kept as a first line reserve. The post-war Peruvian Army will be reduced to Eight infantry brigades of two infantry regiments, one artillery regiment and one sapper battalion. The rest of the cavalry will be posted in a two regiment brigade and one motorcycle regiment (battalion). The Naval Brigade, the Tank battalion, the Armored Regiment and the Armored Car Regiment will stay also in the post war order of battle.)



Peruvian Mobile Regiment (as of September 1935)

Heavy Tank Battalion (Vickers Type)
Tank Platoon - (14 men, 1 officer)
4 squads - 1 Vickers 6-ton Type B tank ea., 3 men
Command - 1 Vickers 6-ton Type A tank, 1 officer, 2 men

Tank Company - (49 men, 5 officers)
3 platoons (14 men, 1 officer ea.)
12 Vickers 6-ton Type B tank and 3 Vickers 6-ton Type A tanks
Command (3 tanks, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 6 men)
3 Vickers 6-ton Type A tanks

Tank Battalion - (112 men, 12 officers)
2 companies (49 men, 5 officers ea.)
24 Vickers 6-ton Type B tank and 12 Vickers 6-ton Type A tanks
Command (5 tanks, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 13 men)
5 Vickers 6-ton Type A tanks

Heavy Tank Battalion (Lt-33 Type)
Tank Platoon - (19 men, 1 officer)
4 squads - 1 Lt-33 tank, 4 men
Command - 1 Lt-33 tank, 1 officer, 3 men

Tank Company - (66 men, 5 officers)
3 platoons (19 men, 1 officer ea.)
15 Lt-33 tanks
Command (3 tanks, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 9 men)
3 Lt-33 tanks

Tank Battalion - (149 men, 12 officers)
2 companies (66 men, 5 officers ea.)
36 Lt-33 tanks
Command (5 tanks, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 17 men)
5 Lt-33 tanks

Light Tank Company
Tank Platoon - (14 men, 1 officer)
4 squads - 1 Vickers 6-ton Type A tank ea., 3 men
Command - 1 Vickers 6-ton Type A tank, 1 officer, 2 men

Tank Company - (67 men, 6 officers)
4 platoons (14 men, 1 officer ea.)
20 Vickers 6-ton Type A tanks
Command (5 tanks, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 13 men)
5 Vickers 6-ton Type A tanks

Anti Armor Battery
AT Company - (45 men, 1 officer, 1 NCO)
6 AT 47/32 guns portee in trucks
1 command vehicle
2 ammo carrier (trucks)

Machine-gun Carrier Battalion
Carrier Platoon ( 9 men, 1 officer)
4 squads - 1 Carden Loyd Mk VI ea. 2 men
Command - 1 Carden Loyd Mk VI, 1 officer, 1 men

Carrier Company - (35 men, 5 officers)
3 platoons ( 27 men, 3 officers)
15 Carden Loyd Mk VI
Command ( 7 men, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO)
3 Carden Loyd Mk VI

Carrier Battalion (115 men, 17 officers)
3 companies (105 men, 15 officers)
54 Carden Loyd Mk VI
Command (9 men, 1 Co, 1 XO, 1 NCO)
6 Carden Loyd Mk VI

3rd Cavalry (Motorcycle)

Infantry Platoon (47 men, 1 officer, 14 motorcycles with sidecars and two trucks)
3 rifle squads- 12 men, 2 Zb-26 LMG, 4 motorcycles with sidecars (each)
Command - 1 CO, 1 NCO, 5 men, two trucks
1 light mortar section- 5 men, 2 motorcycles with sidecars, 1 50mm mortar

Infantry Company (171 men, 5 officers, 42 motorcycles with sidecars, 3 motorcycles, 14 trucks)
3 platoons (141 men, 3 officers, 18 Zb-26 LMG, 3 50mm mortars,6 trucks, 42 motorcycles with sidecars) (2)
Command - (1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 30 men, 3 motorcycles, 8 trucks)

Weapons Company (90 men, 2 officers, 20 motorcycles with sidecars, 6 trucks)
MG platoon (42 men, 1 officer, 6 heavy machineguns , 10 motorcycles with sidecars, 3 trucks)
Mortar platoon (48 men, 1 officer, 4 81mm mortars, 10 motorcycles with sidecars, 3 trucks)

Motorcycle Battalion (623 men, 21 officers)
3 Companies (513 men, 15 officers, 54 Zb-26 LMG, 9 50mm mortars, 48 trucks, 9 motorcycles, 146 motorcycles with sidecars)
1 Weapons Company (90 men, 2 officers, 6 heavy machineguns, 4 81mm mortars, 20 motorcycle with sidecars, 6 trucks)
Command (1 CO, 1 XO, 2 staff, 20 men, 10 trucks)

Infantry Battalion
Infantry Platoon (53 men, 1 officer)
4 squads- 12 men, 2 Zb-26 LMG
Command - 1 CO, 1 NCO, 4 men

Infantry Company (173 men, 5 officers)
3 platoons (159 men, 3 officers, 6 Zb-26 LMG)
2 mortar teams (6 men, 2 50mm mortars)
Command - (1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 8 men)

Weapons Company ( 74 men, 2 officers)
MG platoon (35 men, 1 officer, 8 MMG)
Mortar platoon (39 men, 1 officer, 4 81mm mortars)

Infantry Battalion (615 men, 19 officers)
3 Companies (519 men, 15 officers, 18 Zb-26 LMG, 6 50mm mortars)
1 Weapons Company (74 men, 2 officers, 8 MMG, 4 81mm mortars)
Command (1 CO, 1 XO, 2 staff, 20 men)

Light AA Battery - (60 men, 2 officers)
3 AA Sections (54 men, 6 20mm guns)
Command (1 CO, 1 XO, 6 men)

Field Artillery Battalion - (254 men, 8 officers)
3 Field Artillery Batteries (204 men, 6 officers, 18 77mm howitzers)
Observer Section (18 men)
Command (1 CO, 1 XO, 2 Staff, 30 men)

Mobile Regiment (3179 men, 127 officers)
1 Heavy Tank Battalions Vickers Type (112 men, 12 officers)
2 Heavy Tank Battalions Lt-33 Type (298 men, 12 officers)
1 Light Tank Company (67 men, 6 officers)
1 Mobile AT Battery (46 men, 1 officer)
1 Machine gun carrier Battalion (115 men, 17 officers)
1 Support Company (126 men, 4 officers)
1 Headquarters Company (80 men, 6 officers)
1 Motorcycle Battalion (623 men, 21 officers)
2 Infantry Battalion - (1398 men, 38 officers)
1 Field Artillery Battalion - (254 men, 8 officers)
1 Light AA Battery (20mm) (60 men, 2 officers)

[Note: Trucks are being used to move the infantry, artillery and AA assets.]

[Note: The 3rd Cavalry has being attached to the order of battle]

[Note: An order exist for the delivery of Sd-251’s from Germany but no vehicles will arrive in sufficient numbers to move the infantry until at least the middle of 1936.]
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Friday, February 28th 2014, 12:15am

Update after the 1937 war & to arrive to Q2-1944 will consist to:
1- Update the tank Vickers type A (2x7.62mm MG ) to type B (1x37mm long Gun)
2- Place the SdKfz 251 in the army.
3- Reorganise the Army

First calculations gives for early 1944:
60 tank LT33
51 tank type A (=> B)
37 tank type B
50 SdKfz251/1 (Troop transport)
50 Sdkfz251/21 (AA)
80 Carden Loyd MK VI Tankette
100 trucks in differents configuration

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Friday, February 28th 2014, 2:20am

Now I'm interested in this

what tank are you going to use to replace the old LTs and 6-tons? Those tanks can't stand the main combat tanks in the neighborhood

and are you going to make a airborne company? Peru had one by 1941 in OTL

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Friday, February 28th 2014, 3:01am

Peru allegedly purchased a number of Panzer IIIs just before the Peruvian Civil War; but that order would not have arrived until after the end of the conflict. (Naval blockade.) The quantity was never publicly stated - and I thus lack a source to cite - but one of the figures bandied about was two hundred PzIII ordered. Whether that is an accurate figure, and whether or not they were ordered, is open to some debate. I have sized and structured the Chilean armoured forces with the possibility that Peru actually took delivery of two hundred Panzer IIIs. Perhaps a presumption on my part, but past Peruvian players either were uninterested in land forces or just never bothered getting their act together to formalize what others later claimed they bought.

It is my belief that the Vickers, Carden-Loyd, and LT-33 tanks were obsoleted out of the Peruvian Army with the arrival of the Panzers - unless you're saying the Panzers never arrived in 1938-1940, which is entirely possible as well.

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Friday, February 28th 2014, 3:41am

Yes I read the post of Alvama (I Think) bying the Tanks but I dunno if they can stand against the Chilean M41 and because no one updated the peruvian army we never knew

Also Peru could make a Marder III TD or a Flakpanzer with the LTs they also could make an assault gun or APC just for throwing ideas

Are APCs possible in Wesworld?

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Friday, February 28th 2014, 4:07am

Yes I read the post of Alvama (I Think) bying the Tanks but I dunno if they can stand against the Chilean M41 and because no one updated the peruvian army we never knew

They can't - that's why I bought the M41s, after all. Under the prevailing conditions I preferred higher quality over Peru's quantity - though I stuck with the mediocre M41 design since I didn't have any idea what the Peruvians were actually doing. :P


Also Peru could make a Marder III TD or a Flakpanzer with the LTs they also could make an assault gun or APC just for throwing ideas

Are APCs possible in Wesworld?

The SdKFz.251 technically is an APC, according to the definitions of the time.

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Friday, February 28th 2014, 4:48am

They can't - that's why I bought the M41s, after all. Under the prevailing conditions I preferred higher quality over Peru's quantity - though I stuck with the mediocre M41 design since I didn't have any idea what the Peruvians were actually doing. :P

The SdKFz.251 technically is an APC, according to the definitions of the time.
SO Peru needs new tanks, new anti-tank guns and possibly heavier artillery

frankly Peru is in the same position that it have in RL, good navy, good airforce, CR:DP Army (Equipment)

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Friday, February 28th 2014, 2:35pm

Peru allegedly purchased a number of Panzer IIIs just before the Peruvian Civil War; but that order would not have arrived until after the end of the conflict. (Naval blockade.) The quantity was never publicly stated - and I thus lack a source to cite - but one of the figures bandied about was two hundred PzIII ordered. Whether that is an accurate figure, and whether or not they were ordered, is open to some debate. I have sized and structured the Chilean armoured forces with the possibility that Peru actually took delivery of two hundred Panzer IIIs. Perhaps a presumption on my part, but past Peruvian players either were uninterested in land forces or just never bothered getting their act together to formalize what others later claimed they bought.




I have to agree with Brock on the question of the Panzer IIIJ - I know of no documentation for their sale or delivery to Peru, and the type is long out of production in Germany - though some surplus examples might still be found in war reserve stocks, and the basic chassis is still in production of course for assault guns.

However, Peruvian needs for mechanized equipment are being addressed. 8)

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Friday, February 28th 2014, 8:54pm

frankly Peru is in the same position that it have in RL, good navy, good airforce, CR:DP Army (Equipment)

It's my opinion, having studied the challenges of the region in a bit of detail, that Peru can probably get away with slacking a bit in terms of the army, so long as the air force and navy do their jobs. The capability of ground forces to project power in the region is relatively limited (due to poor roads and railroads). So the primary threat to Peru is a seaborne invader.

Unfortunately, that means Chile will always ipso facto be the primary enemy, since Chile has a larger, higher-quality navy and thus the capability to invade Peru in the most worrisome possible fashion.

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Friday, February 28th 2014, 10:53pm

It's my opinion, having studied the challenges of the region in a bit of detail, that Peru can probably get away with slacking a bit in terms of the army, so long as the air force and navy do their jobs. The capability of ground forces to project power in the region is relatively limited (due to poor roads and railroads). So the primary threat to Peru is a seaborne invader.

Unfortunately, that means Chile will always ipso facto be the primary enemy, since Chile has a larger, higher-quality navy and thus the capability to invade Peru in the most worrisome possible fashion.
and that is why Peru needs an Army decent enough to stop the Chilean Army sadly the Peruvian Army isn't in the "decent enough" level

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 12:43am

Interresting opinions & good news about 200 Panzer III


Second calculations gives for early 1944:
100 Panzer III Ausf J
60 tank LT33
37 tank type B
51 tank type A (=> AA guns)
60 SdKfz251/1 (Troop transport)
60 Sdkfz251/21 (AA)
80 Carden Loyd MK VI Tankette
200 trucks in differents configuration

4 Armoured Brigade
1 Puira - 1 Lima - 2 Moquegua

Jef

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 1:30am

Two points to clarify:

As the player of Germany, I cannot confirm that 200 Panzer IIIJ were in fact delivered to Peru at any time in the past.

Also, the SdKfz251/21 antiaircraft vehicle is not a standard German variant; though a conversion may have been carried out by Peruvian authorities.

It is unwise to presume that specific historical vehicle configurations have been carried forward into Wesworld.

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 1:52am

13.2 Breda-SAFAT used on Peruvian aircrafts could be mounted on the Vickers & SdKf 251.
...Mounted with a light front shield, not in turret.

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 1:55am

13.2 Breda-SAFAT used on Peruvian aircrafts could be mounted on the Vickers & SdKf 251.
...Mounted with a light front shield, not in turret.

Quite so; I merely wished to avoid any confusion on the subject.

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 2:04am

I have changed too Panzer III qty => 100 was 200.
More realist I think ...

Jef

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 2:08am

I have changed too Panzer III qty => 100 was 200.
More realist I think ...

Jef
As Brock and I have noted, we cannot confirm that any were delivered. Perhaps The Rock Doctor, who played Peru for a time, might know.

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 2:17am

2x13.2 Breda SAFAT could be mounted per vehicle.
This is not a very big MG


http://www.regioesercito.it/armi/armi_po…tra_breda31.htm

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 3:01am

2x13.2 Breda SAFAT could be mounted per vehicle.
This is not a very big MG


http://www.regioesercito.it/armi/armi_po…tra_breda31.htm
If I remember well the 251/21 had historically a triple 15mm autocannon mount
Peru could mount three or four SAFAT per half-track

and I would also recommend mounting a turret with 20mm AA in the 6-ton to give more heavy AA firepower as the SAFAT might lack the punch against heavier fighters

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 3:58am

I have changed too Panzer III qty => 100 was 200.
More realist I think ...

As Brock and I have noted, we cannot confirm that any were delivered.

Seconded. I had Chile act on the presumption that they were delivered, but no firm public statement was ever made that confirmed either the order or the quantity. I feel that it's a matter to be agreed upon between the German and Peruvian players, barring evidence.

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Saturday, March 1st 2014, 2:24pm

Posted by Bruce in a MP to me 20th feb 2014

"Germany could provide Peru with 100 examples of the Panzer IIIJ (long 5cm gun) similar to the ones already in Peruvian service;..."



Bruce could confirm.