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Friday, March 31st 2006, 12:58pm

Project1931-Slugnutt

Project31 - Slugnutt

Greece must decide between two 30,000ton ships and one 40,000ton ship and one 20,000ton. The following explores the one big and one small option. An effective Battleship can be no smaller than her peers so by going to the maximum allowed (and then some) the first design is a 42k ton ship with 12 14" guns to be Fleet Flagship and create a 3 ship battlefleet with the 27knot 14" armed Salamis class. This would leave 16,000 tons for the 4th 'capital' ship. There are two options for this 'large cruiser', the first uses the powered twin from escort cruisers, the new Psara class CL's and auxilliaries. The second introduces a new triple 8" turret and would be superior to most treaty cruisers and share a common calibre with Greece's two CA. The 6" version fits in better with Greece's night fighting doctrine. All three designs share the same powerplant. The cruiser hull could also serve a model for the second carrier hull to be built soon.

The two 30,000 ton ships are also being scoped but I'd rather standardise on 14" and this may overgun these ships. Upsizing the design is not an option. An A-B-Y arangement is only 28 knots and an A-X-Y gets to 29 knots.

Thoughts?



RHN B-6 Slugnutt, Greece Battleship laid down 1931

Displacement:
39,219 t light; 41,959 t standard; 43,214 t normal; 44,218 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
762.75 ft / 760.00 ft x 105.00 ft x 30.20 ft (normal load)
232.49 m / 231.65 m x 32.00 m x 9.20 m

Armament:
12 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (8x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
24 - 0.49" / 12.5 mm guns (12x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 18,376 lbs / 8,335 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3.00" / 76 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 28.50 ft / 8.69 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 6.90" / 175 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 106,493 shp / 79,444 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 5,800nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 2,259 tons)

Complement:
1,498 - 1,948

Cost:
£16.355 million / $65.420 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,297 tons, 5.3 %
Armour: 17,205 tons, 39.8 %
- Belts: 4,464 tons, 10.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,424 tons, 3.3 %
- Armament: 3,674 tons, 8.5 %
- Armour Deck: 7,644 tons, 17.7 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 3,185 tons, 7.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,033 tons, 37.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,995 tons, 9.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
49,744 lbs / 22,564 Kg = 36.3 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 7.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 17.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.628
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.24 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.57 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.40 ft / 9.57 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 25.40 ft / 7.74 m
- Mid (70 %): 23.40 ft / 7.13 m (13.40 ft / 4.08 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.40 ft / 4.08 m
- Stern: 13.40 ft / 4.08 m
- Average freeboard: 21.78 ft / 6.64 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166.5 %
Waterplane Area: 59,883 Square feet or 5,563 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 197 lbs/sq ft or 963 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.16
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily






RHN C-31 Class, Greek cruiser laid down 1932

Displacement:
15,603 t light; 15,963 t standard; 17,994 t normal; 19,619 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
664.00 ft / 664.00 ft x 76.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
202.39 m / 202.39 m x 23.16 m x 7.92 m

Armament:
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (6x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1932 Model
Quick firing guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,331 lbs / 1,057 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 0
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 462.00 ft / 140.82 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.20" / 132 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 94,721 shp / 70,662 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 3,656 tons)

Complement:
776 - 1,009

Cost:
£5.374 million / $21.496 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 291 tons, 1.6 %
Armour: 5,579 tons, 31.0 %
- Belts: 1,537 tons, 8.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 740 tons, 4.1 %
- Armour Deck: 3,302 tons, 18.4 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,796 tons, 15.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,337 tons, 35.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,391 tons, 13.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 3.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
32,149 lbs / 14,582 Kg = 297.7 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 3.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.480
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.74 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.80 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m (26.00 ft / 7.92 m aft of break)
- Mid (77 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 66.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.8 %
Waterplane Area: 34,327 Square feet or 3,189 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 595 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.40
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily





RHN C-31 Class, Greek Cruiser laid down 1932

Displacement:
15,603 t light; 15,963 t standard; 17,994 t normal; 19,619 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
664.00 ft / 664.00 ft x 76.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
202.39 m / 202.39 m x 23.16 m x 7.92 m

Armament:
12 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x3 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 4,107 lbs / 1,863 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 0
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 462.00 ft / 140.82 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 94,721 shp / 70,662 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 3,656 tons)

Complement:
776 - 1,009

Cost:
£6.222 million / $24.887 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 513 tons, 2.9 %
Armour: 5,335 tons, 29.6 %
- Belts: 1,345 tons, 7.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 815 tons, 4.5 %
- Armour Deck: 3,175 tons, 17.6 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,796 tons, 15.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,804 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,391 tons, 13.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 155 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
29,557 lbs / 13,407 Kg = 115.5 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.480
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.74 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.80 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m (26.00 ft / 7.92 m aft of break)
- Mid (77 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.8 %
Waterplane Area: 34,327 Square feet or 3,189 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 131 lbs/sq ft or 639 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.48
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


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Friday, March 31st 2006, 1:17pm

Myself, I'd tend towards the 8" design, rather than the 6" design. It's hard to ALWAYS arrange to fight your enemies at night, and if you're involved in night fighting, the shortened ranges make you more vulnerable to torpedoes.

On the BB: I'd suggest that the deck armor is, perhaps, excessive. A couple of 30,000 ton designs would allow Greece to have capital ships in multiple places, where the 40,000/20,000 design with the cruiser doesn't.

3

Friday, March 31st 2006, 1:32pm

With the Battleship, I reason that it will probably draw fire because of its size - hence the thick armour. I see the value in the BB fleet as a fleet in being rather than a very active part of the navy.

With regards to night fighting, Galipolli would show how long an invasion force would require support. Night is when I'd contest, possibly with ships as big as the large cruiser but mostly small craft.

Cheers,

4

Friday, March 31st 2006, 2:56pm

Heavy armor on a BB I'll buy, my thought is that some of the deck armor could be shaved and put into either more side armor or more speed. Also, I'd consider revising the hull form a bit, the amount of damage the BB can take seems a bit low for a ship of her tonnage. Not to mention that 500 tons for miscellaneous weight seems a bit high on a BB.

Unless you can be certain you can reach the invasion point and return to base under cover of darkness, your fleet might prefer to engage the enemy at night but it can't be certain that's when the fleets would run into one another.

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Friday, March 31st 2006, 4:03pm

Looking a little further ahead, you're in a legal position to lay down replacements for the Salamis class in about 1935-6.

If you build Slugnutt and a 16,000 t cruiser, the replacements will be, at most, ~34,000 t, depending on how you fudge the numbers.

If you build Slugnutt only, you can replace Salamis and Navarino with two improved Slugnutts, giving you three full-sized capital ships. Given your statement...

Quoted

An effective Battleship can be no smaller than her peers


...this seems a more logical Greek action.

My recommendation would be to build a full-sized BB and a third CA: perhaps a large CL with 5x2 6" would be appropriate for the night strike command role.

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Friday, March 31st 2006, 4:46pm

Quoted

Not to mention that 500 tons for miscellaneous weight seems a bit high on a BB.

I use quite some miscellaneous weight on some of my BB designs as well... more than 500 tons actually. My version of the Yamato has 1,000 tons of miscellaneous weight...
... for a very special and very big boom! :-)

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Friday, March 31st 2006, 5:25pm

Quoted

... for a very special and very big boom! :-)


The catapault and hangar for Manzo's four-engined float plane?

8

Friday, March 31st 2006, 6:18pm

(Well Yamato needs a lot of weight to fit that Wave Motion Gun and the 55 fighters.....)

A uniform Greek Fleet might suit their needs. 3 BB and maybe a slightly oversized cruiser as a cruiser flagship maybe.

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Saturday, April 1st 2006, 3:43am

The Salamis class are being rebuilt so I'm expecting 10 years service from them. They have a speed of 27 knots so that was the requirement for Slugnutt. The belt seemed adequate for 15" armed opponents so the rest went into decks.

The misc weight is for the twin 6" powered turrets rather than a normal twin.

I'll conceed the point on the suvivability, I'll look further into that.

Cheers,

10

Saturday, April 1st 2006, 1:20pm

You know, I'd love to know what on earth you did to that design to get those survivability stats. I get something different when it comes to survivability.
Also I prefer to have some CT armor on it, even if it is only the Italian style protection. But that's just me.

Quoted

16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (8x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)

and

Quoted

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

No side and barbette armor for the 5 inch guns?? When I resimmed it, Sharp was whining about the barbette armor not being there...
... yet when I simmed it, I needed 1 inch other armor and 2 inch barbette armor to get it to the proper data of your design!!
I have seen the 'other' and 'barbette' armor vanish before on designs, despite having entered them in Sharp 2. I could be wrong, but it looks like you use the first version of Spring Sharp 2.


Slugnutt, Greece Battleship laid down 1931

Displacement:
39,219 t light; 41,959 t standard; 43,214 t normal; 44,218 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
762.75 ft / 760.00 ft x 105.00 ft x 30.20 ft (normal load)
232.49 m / 231.65 m x 32.00 m x 9.20 m

Armament:
12 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1931 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (8x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
24 - 0.49" / 12.5 mm guns (12x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 18,376 lbs / 8,335 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3.00" / 76 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 28.50 ft / 8.69 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 6.90" / 175 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 106,493 shp / 79,444 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 5,800nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,259 tons

Complement:
1,498 - 1,948

Cost:
£16.355 million / $65.420 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,297 tons, 5.3 %
Armour: 17,205 tons, 39.8 %
- Belts: 4,464 tons, 10.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,424 tons, 3.3 %
- Armament: 3,674 tons, 8.5 %
- Armour Deck: 7,644 tons, 17.7 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 3,185 tons, 7.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,033 tons, 37.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,995 tons, 9.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
61,448 lbs / 27,873 Kg = 44.8 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 10.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 17.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.628
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.24 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.57 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.40 ft / 9.57 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 25.40 ft / 7.74 m
- Mid (70 %): 23.40 ft / 7.13 m (13.40 ft / 4.08 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.40 ft / 4.08 m
- Stern: 13.40 ft / 4.08 m
- Average freeboard: 21.78 ft / 6.64 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166.5 %
Waterplane Area: 59,883 Square feet or 5,563 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 197 lbs/sq ft or 963 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.16
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

11

Saturday, April 1st 2006, 1:29pm

*scratching head*
-I'm using the latest SS but maybe I've imported an older file and worked from that - this may have caused problems...

I'm also wondering if a good seaboat rating is really necessary for a Med theatre BB.

Many thanks,

12

Saturday, April 1st 2006, 1:51pm

Only thing I can think of is to do it the way I got the design. Start a fresh SS design and enter all the data for Slugnutt rather than importing the data. Try and see if that makes a difference. It takes a bit of time, but it might work.

13

Saturday, April 1st 2006, 1:52pm

I'd doubt a "good seaboat" rating is all that important in a ship designed for the Med. The North Sea, yes, the North Atlantic, yes, the South Atlantic, yes. The Med? No.

14

Saturday, April 1st 2006, 2:11pm

*Looks at range*
Obviously the Greeks are looking at operation possibilities beyond the Mediterranean.
:-)
Regarding Sharp, I looked at a few other designs you recently posted and they have the same thing regarding the 'other' and 'barbette' armor and I wouldn't be surprised if they have the same survivability problem as well.
I looked at Springsharp.com and noticed this with version 2.1: "a better calculation of the effects of a torpedo bulkhead".
So if you get the same results starting from a blank Sharp design, it could be that you have either Sharp 2.0 or 2.0.1, though I could be wrong.

15

Saturday, April 1st 2006, 2:18pm

One more thing I noticed with the two versions of the RHN C-31 Class.

Quoted

Shells per gun, main battery: 0

16

Saturday, April 1st 2006, 10:21pm

That will make a huge difference! The Turks will love em though....snicker snicker....

I've also had trouble in the past importing designs from an older SS version. Now I just re-enter the stats on a fresh file as Walter suggests.

HoOmAn

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Sunday, April 2nd 2006, 12:48am

Slugnutt

Call me a heretic - but I fail to see where your slugnut is superior to other full size BBs that are older like the Memnon, the Principe Eugenio di Savoia, the G3 or the Ophion. Despite being 2000ts oversize she lacks the superiority one would expect from a design 7 years (Ophion) or 10 yeats (G3) younger.

Of course there is her thick deck armor and her excessive misc weight but she gave away vertical protection, CT armor, a powerful secondary battery, speed and range.

At the end I really wonder if the Greeks will get what they want (a mini-Yamato that can take on the enemy battle line - according to your post and my understanding of it)...

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Sunday, April 2nd 2006, 1:39am

From outside the Greek box of thinking I see the 2x30,000 ton BB option the more prudent of the two options. Sure with the 1x40,000/1x20,000 option you get a decent BB but it comes with esentially a lightly armed battlecruiser.

The 8 and 6" gunned ships are a luxury that really doesn't pay off IMO, particularily when you can get two capable medium sized cruisers with the same tonnage

Considering the fact you'll likely be facing at most Italy's Cavours/Duilio's (and then their currently projected cruiser replacements) or the Osmanieh/Yavuz/Sultan Mehmed/Piri Reis, two newer 30,000 ton BB's should be more then enough to deal with these threats in concert with the Salamis class BB's.

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Sunday, April 2nd 2006, 9:37am

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That will make a huge difference! The Turks will love em though....snicker snicker....

Guess I should have kept my mouth shut then.

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I've also had trouble in the past importing designs from an older SS version. Now I just re-enter the stats on a fresh file as Walter suggests.

Well, Sharp 1 to Sharp 2.1 is no problem, you only need to correct a few things here and there. Can't quite remember about changing a design from 2.0 or 2.0.1 to 2.1.

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Call me a heretic

Yes, you will burn for that, heretic!!

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but I fail to see where your slugnut is superior to other full size BBs that are older like the Memnon, the Principe Eugenio di Savoia, the G3 or the Ophion.

I think that the Greek probably look at the design differently than us players. This could be a fatal error on their part.

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Sunday, April 2nd 2006, 12:52pm

Yes, it looks like there is s problem in the shortcut. I'll try putting in values from scratch.

Hoo, not expecting to be superior on the same size - just comparable but making a smaller BB may not be a smart move in the long term. Does Greece even need battleships? This was the conclusion of the British Naval mission before ww1. Are large cruisers not expendable enough?

Out of curiosity - what should belt height be to cover the vitals. SS doesn't care so is there a rule of thumb?

Cheers,