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Saturday, October 10th 2009, 12:57pm

Persian SLR competition

These are the rifles/carbines shortlisted for the SLR testing feel free to add any designs that you wish to enter and remember that they have to be able to use either the 7,92 x 57 or 8 x 35 Rapid rounds

From Brno the ZH-29/37 and ZK-412

From Taslihat-e Artesh a 8x35 Avtomat Fedorov clone

From Neuhasen the SLG 38

From EWIL the FAP 38

US Garand and Pedersen

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Vukovlad" (Oct 28th 2009, 10:27pm)


Saturday, October 10th 2009, 1:21pm

What are the stats on the 8mm Rapid? I'm not having much luck finding information on it.


Saturday, October 10th 2009, 1:24pm

8x35mm Rapid

8mm Rapid was designed in 08/1941. Among the conditions was that aimed fire should be possible up to 600 meters and that it should have comparable accuracy with 7.92mm Mauser. Also it was demanded that the round has high muzzle velocity (ca. 300 mps more than 9mm SMG).
The bullet was 21.5mm long and weighed 8g. Case was made from steel, 35mm long and lacquered.
During comparative trials between 8mm Rapid, 7.92mm Mauser and 9mm Parabellum, following results were achieved:
at 400 meters, average derivation (term?) of rounds was 15cm for Rapid, 7cm for Mauser and 80cm for 9mm. At 800 meters it was 104cm, 50cm and 546cm.
The bullet was able to penetrate steel helmet at 600 meters with 30° slope (400m demanded). At 50m 50cm of spruce wood was pentrated.


Saturday, October 10th 2009, 2:40pm

Hmmmm, so essentially, it looks like a competitor to the 7.92mm Kurz, using a slightly longer case. A little less powerful than the 7x40mm RWS (100 m/s slower, with a bullet of similar weight), but pretty similar.

The Pedersen and Garand will be submitted by companies in the US.


Saturday, October 10th 2009, 3:32pm

Just to clarify, Pedersen for 8mm Rapid and Garand for 7,92x57?


Saturday, October 10th 2009, 4:07pm

No, both in 8mm. [In WW, the work to convert the Garand to .30-06 was never completed, it's being issued in US service in .276 Pedersen.]

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Hrolf Hakonson" (Oct 10th 2009, 5:14pm)


Saturday, October 10th 2009, 7:38pm



Wednesday, October 14th 2009, 9:44pm

No more offers?


Wednesday, October 14th 2009, 9:56pm

Might as well add in the Sig SK36. There's no production version in 8x57mm, but the 7.5x55 Schmidt-Rubin round is fairly close, and Sig-Sauer (and Bulgaria's Kazanlak Arsenal) have built test rifles in in a variety of calibers including 8x57, .303, 6.5 Nord, 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schönauer, and 7.62x54R. Compared to the other rifles mentioned above, it's going to be very well-made and accurate, but correspondingly more expensive.


Wednesday, October 14th 2009, 10:00pm

Great got a pic?


Wednesday, October 14th 2009, 10:03pm


Originally posted by Vukovlad
Great got a pic?

Yes...but on a different computer. Wait three hours and I'll be able to post it. It's very similar to the K31 Schmidt-Rubin, however: it uses many of the same parts (sights, magazines, stock, etc) in order to cut production costs. *Sales pitch* Sure, it's expensive for a semiauto, but you get timeless Swiss craftsmanship! (Except for the models made in Bulgaria which aren't quite as well-made, but a bit cheaper...)


Wednesday, October 14th 2009, 10:15pm

Luckily there is a rather small number of troops that are getting the SLR initially (Pushtigaban and & Gendarm Intervention units) so unless the price is very high it shouldnt be a problem


Wednesday, October 14th 2009, 10:19pm

Sure, once the 8x57 test rifles finish their demonstrations to the Turkish Army, the Sig representative will cart them over to Tehran. ;)


Wednesday, October 14th 2009, 11:10pm

Oh allright we'll buy them! lol


Wednesday, October 14th 2009, 11:16pm


Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Oh allright we'll buy them! lol

Took ya long enough to decide! :P ;)